Suggestions for MTG Vault

[Gary]

Ok, so the idea here is to list features that you would like to see in any future version of MTG Vault that may be built. I'll start...

1) Better security (chuckles :().
2) Deckbuilding tools and being able to share your creations with the world.
3) The ability to write comments against decks.
4) Deck search facility.

What would you all like to see implemented in MTG Vault?

[Gen]

5) I'd love to see the deck rating facility that we have talked about so many times actually implemented! It'd be awesome to see what people really think of your deck!

6) A better social link between the forums and the actual site... don't ask me how though!!

[Steppingfilter 101]

This might be taken care of already but...

7) Allow the use of the avatar function.


I don't know what the deal with that is right now but I'm curious as to what's going on with that.

[randomryan]

8) Some kind of playordraw sim, or the similar
9)This is complicated, but the ability to compare 2 decks, and users could vote//post who's deck would do better (for example: I make a GWR Naya deck, and MagicMan514 makes a GWR Naya deck as well, users could vote towards the deck they think would win if they were to ever play each other)

[MagicMan514]

I like the idea of comparing two decks, if you could do something where two decks could be posted in the same page, and people could comment and rate the two without having to switch between decks, that would be cool.
10) also, i think a draft/sealed deck simulator would be awesome. If you could draft or do a sealed, then post up the deck you made for people to see. and as for the draft, say if we could see if other people are online, and maybe do and 8 man draft without bots if 8 people want to. that'dbe awesome!
11) the ability to instant message someone, say if i'm on the site and so is randomryan, i could send him a message and he could reply, but we could still surf the site as we did that, much like facebook does.

[randomryan]

11) the ability to instant message someone, say if i'm on the site and so is randomryan, i could send him a message and he could reply, but we could still surf the site as we did that, much like facebook does.

Really good idea! I like it...

12) And adding to the facebook stuff, you could have an "away" status or something...

[Steppingfilter 101]

How can you instant message someone like that??

I don't really use facebook that much. >_>

[randomryan]

13) On Gleemax you can: Figure Of Destiny to get Figure of Destiny with a link to that card (its called aoutcarding)

Is this possible, or too much work for whats its worth?

[exarkun]

Hehehe talk about scope creep...

Be careful what you wish for Gary :P

[Gary]

Hehehe talk about scope creep...

Be careful what you wish for Gary :P

Heh, aye. Don't worry, I'm just hovering for other people's ideas to make sure mine are on the right track :p

[mtglord]

1) the ability to rate each others decks using a 10 star system and you could set it up as a poll on the deck. then have a new deck searching implament:rating, where all decks would be listed best to worst.

2)another new searching implament the ability to search by deck creator.

3)for some reason it seamed that the deck building comunity was not as tioght outside of the forums. anyone se a way to fix that.

4)the ability to have freinds on the deck building site.

[Freddfu]

D00d yess:
-Friends, instant messaging - keep community alive and active
-Card draw simulator. Absolute must if you can pull it off. I've looked nearly EVERYWHERE, and cannot find a single site or program to simulate draws. If you can pull this off, Gary, You'll have alot of people flocking to MTGVault, promise.
-Perhaps card browsing? have the cards in the set on the left hand side, and card previews and Oracle text on the right. List can be sorted by color, rarity, etc. Would be cool.
-Ratings is awesome.
-Comparing decks is cool too.

-Deck critiquing tools: Mana curve calculator, stats, etc. Would be great. I have yet to find a resource that does this. DO IT. You shall have epic traffic.


Keep it up!

[mtglord]

the card draw simmulator shouldnt be hard to do affter all its a probability simmulator (that i can run on my calculator) mixed with some programing tomake sure you dont draw to many of the same cards.

[Gary]

the card draw simmulator shouldnt be hard to do affter all its a probability simmulator (that i can run on my calculator) mixed with some programing tomake sure you dont draw to many of the same cards.

I'll agree with you in that the draw simulator is very easy to code, but I'm going to have to disagree with your method of doing it. When you shuffle a deck you don't shuffle it in such a way that you can't draw too many of the same card, it's 100% random, which is how I intend on making the draw sim! :)

All the cards will be added to a pool, and then seven cards will be "drawn" from it. If you decide to redraw, all the cards will be put into the pool again ready to be drawn from again. Potentially you could draw exactly the same cards twice in a row just like you could in real life, albeit with a low chance of doing so. :p

[mtglord]

i was wondering if you could add differnt veiws to the deck builder to help with creation like a function that would show you your drop curve ( what % of cards in you deck you could play on a given turn) and for the veiw could you add filters like mana cost, sub-type, power, toughness ect.

[Freddfu]

I agree with mtglord; it would be great if you could set up like a mana curve, or a pie chart detailing the relative amounts of creatures, lands, etc... (or even allow you to look at percentages of cards based on rarity or other conditions, maybe offer automated tips based on deck structure, such as how many lands you should be playing with, and what color...). It would also be kinda neat if you could make searches for decks of similar color/playstyle, and have searches refinable by rating, etc.

Would be a great Christmas present :)

[Gary]

Heh, I'll see what I can do, but I do have limited time and I'll be happy if I can get the basics working at a stable level first, these ideas have been noted though!

Too add to the time problem I'm also thinking of switching to ASP.NET since that's what I'm using at work nowadays, but the problem is hosting it seeing as we're currently sitting on a linux box... hrm, so much to do, so little time! :p

[IndridKold]

I'd like to be able to look up a card and then be able to view a list of decks created by people that use that card in it. A site that I use sometimes has that feature on it and its great when building a deck and you need some ideas.

[Gary]

Sounds like a fairly easy one, this will be one of the first additions if I get time. ;)

[lawlessurchin]

ya i want to look up forest and see how many decks utilize the forest

[Darksyntax]

Sorry that this post has to be my first. My name is Fernando Fernandez and I am a web developer, graduated with a degree in web development from the international academy of desgin and technology--just three months ago :-). I've been playing magic since tempest. Ok so on to the suggestion:


This goes back to the mana curve thing. I've seen a few both on web sites and within software like mtg studio. and I'd have to say there are a few things visually i'd like to see at a glance a box that shows the no of blue mana symbols in my deck or the number of red symbols in my deck. I traditionally do this on paper putting a W or a U for each symbol found in my deck. It helps me understand the proportions needed for my mana base.

Other than that I think everyone has made some interesting observations and suggestions I look forward to using mtg as my tool of choice.

[biggels93]

My suggestion is to put a new background on the forum, something related to magic. Like land artwork, popular cards or even the magic logo posted across the forum 50 times, i don't care. I just get sick of seeing the light blue background.

It has been many months since this thread has been open since i joined and it looked like none of these awesome suggestions have been done. Is it because...

1) You are having troubles getting the software required.

2) You plan to input these changes in the future with a launch of a new mtg vault forum.

3) Not enough people use this forum so you don't think that this is worth it.

P.S. If it is number 3, could all the active members of mtg vault post advertisements for the site where they play FnM? I know of at least 3 stores that i live within 5 miles of that host FNM and have a bulletin board.

[Gary]

The reason is time, I simply don't have enough time to devote to coding the site. Evenings are terrible because as soon as I start getting into the flow of things it's time to stop.

I will put a skin on the forums like there used to be but I will only do this after I've launched the main site, otherwise I'd just be wasting time on that when I could be working on the main site.

Were you a member of the first main site biggles or have you only joined us since this "forum-only" state?

[biggels93]

i have only been a member of this site. I only started playing magic since october-early november.

So i have only been a junior member of this site for 4 days.

but if you say this is temporary and there is an awesome amazing launch of a new/old (haven't seen the first one) site, then i have something to look forward to! Thanks Gary, i am pretty ignorant of how this used to be.

[Gary]

Hehe, I wouldn't call it awesome or amazing but no, this isn't the whole site, this is merely a temporary forum that is in place while I re-write the actual website! :)

To get a hint of what the actual site is like just take a look at the sneak preview on the homepage http://www.mtgvault.com (http://www.mtgvault.com/) and you'll see we're not just a forum! :)

[IndridKold]

A suggestion I have in regards to being able to rate other people's decks is to forbid/prevent people from rating their own decks. A site that I sometimes visit, more often since Vault has been down, has a deck rating option on it and it is annoying seeing someone rate their own deck 10 out of 10 when really it is nowhere near that good. Do I support flaming someone's deck because it isnt near the top for whatever reason(s)? NO. I however believe in fair rates, and if someone puts up a deck with 4 each of the 10 worst cards in Magic I dont believe that it should be allowed to have its creator give it a 10 thereby putting it above other decks that are better on the list.

[Gary]

I agree, and this is how the system will work, rating will only work on decks that are not your own! :)

[IndridKold]

Man, I cant wait for the site to come back! /flex

[Gary]

I agree, and this is how the system will work, rating will only work on decks that are not your own! :)

I've actually decided against this and I'll explain why... The voting system is not your normal 1-10 star rating, it's done by a "vote up" or "vote down" system, if you've ever used the website digg.com you'll be right at home.

Once a vote has been cast on a deck the user that cast it does not get to vote again and their vote will count 1 point towards the decks total vote value.

So users adding a single vote to their own deck won't skew the results, and we've all got to start somewhere right?! :)

[Manrend]

I like that idea! A digg style voting system would be awesome! :)

[Gary]

It's not 100% digg, but yeah, same sort of thing, vote up or vote down. :)

It can always be changed if we don't get on with it...

[randomryan]

I believe we lack the ability to delete our decks. Thats how the whole blank deck name incident came about.

[Manrend]

I don't know how everyone else feels about it, but I think that having a section of the main page, with links and titles for the last 10 or so forum messages might be a good idea.

[detour]

Reposting from the main site:

Things I would love to see on MTG Vault:

I would like the ability to paste deck lists in a large text box and have the card names parsed out and matched to their closest equivalent. (e.g.- 4x Birds of Paradise, 4x Force of Nature, 20 Forest, etc.). Just like the deck builder functionality provided by StarCityGames.com and CardKingdom.com (and output by MWS, Apprentice, etc.)

I would like the ability to specify what format a deck is made for (Standard, Extended, Vintage, etc). Ability to easily see what format a deck is intended for (icons next to deck names?), deck search filters by format, separate Top X Lists for different formats.

I would like the ability to mark a deck as a Work In Progress, and/or a way to "Publish" a deck so that some decks can remain private/friends only until I am ready to present them publicly.

I would like the ability to filter card searches by format.

Optional notifications when someone comments/rates my decks.

That's all I got for now, keep up the great work, Gary!

[randomryan]

I call upon my magical moderating power to........wish I had special moderator powers...

Anyway, Gary, could you transfer this: http://mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=13808 to this thread? Or just delete it?

[NightLoki]

I guess i can't really suggest anything without asking a question: What're you planning on doing with the site? But just shooting in the dark,

-Facebook chat-style's a good idea
-A friends list for both regular users and for chat (if it's implemented)
-A favorite decks list that you can add and subtract to
-Being able to have a card draw simulator for your deck is an amazing idea (though hard to implement and a pain to update probably...maybe)
-Draft'd be cool, though card draw simulator might work off of that.(or vice-versa)
-A public chat room
-Automatic checking for tournament legality (Standard, Extended, Legacy, or Vintage at least).

Anyways, just my two bits

[randomryan]

I think the voting system in general isn't too helpful. People get mad because people vote down on their deck, then they go and down vote everyone on the top 15 list. I'm not saying this because I'm annoyed my decks aren't being voted upon, on the contrary. Two of my decks have 1st and 2nd. I just find it annoying when someone gives it a -1, and don't have a constructive reason behind, other than they don't like me or are mad that their deck doesn't recieve votes.

[NightLoki]

I've got it! If you decide to put a play sim for mtg on here, it's not illegal! the card pics, however, are copyrighted, so you would have to ask wizards to be able to use them. Other than that, check out apprentice (open source software) for my 'legal' precedence.

[NightLoki]

oh, and reading through the chillout zone's stuff gave me an idea, articles on the site? maybe?

[evesaakela]

I think it would be a good idea to include a feature that allows us to look at a sample hand from our decks. I believe some other site has something like this, and I find it a pretty good idea.

[0spike0100]

1) a 'thing' where you can go through and plug in what cards you own and
how many.

2) using wish #1 you can search for submitted decks with a parameter that shows only decks containing (ONLY the) cards you own

2.1) the 'decks containing only cards user owns' parameter should also have a feature that allows you to assign a certain amount of leeway in the search. example: no more than 5,10,20,30,etc cards that searching user dose not own.

3) search for decks containing a certain card. example: decks containing raging goblin.

4) search for decks containing cards from certain periods. example: decks containing cards from the time-spiral and scourge sets.

5) search for decks containing certain color cards (check off wanted colors)

[visno]

1) Quick reply enabled by default

2) MTG-Vault Logo Banner at the top of the forum to link back to MTG Vault

[meyaht]

1) Quick reply enabled by default

2) MTG-Vault Logo Banner at the top of the forum to link back to MTG Vault

I second this.

[Seras]

As far as i can tell there is currently no way to edit the Deck Type after the initial creation. I would appreciate having that ability.

as i work on a deck sometimes the focus or quality of it shifts.

[Ian]

As far as i can tell there is currently no way to edit the Deck Type after the initial creation. I would appreciate having that ability.

as i work on a deck sometimes the focus or quality of it shifts.

Added this functionality - it was already on WoW TCG Vault, so I simply copied the process over :-)

[Seras]

excellent! thank you very much =)

[wolftamer]

i think we need a notification bar telling us when someone commments and votes on our decks

[wolftamer]

and we should have a way to narrow down the card search by choosing the collor of the card

[Ian]

Thanks for the suggestions wolftamer.

The alerts system on comments/rating is something we are looking at putting into the revamping profile pages. At the moment, each user has a profile page which just has their decks, but we are looking at adding a lot more info onto these!

As for the card search, I am looking at revamping this on the WoW TCG site, so the MTG site will follow suite at somepoint.

Ian

[Biggjudicem]

possible suggestion a subforum/sticky topic for discussing rulings and scenarios to determine a ruling.

Usually a look at the official rules, shoud cover most stuff, but sometimes there are situations that are too unique to be included in the rules and would need some collective input to make a decision

[Ian]

possible suggestion a subforum/sticky topic for discussing rulings and scenarios to determine a ruling.

Usually a look at the official rules, shoud cover most stuff, but sometimes there are situations that are too unique to be included in the rules and would need some collective input to make a decision

We used to have the forums split out more, but no one used to use the rulings forum, all the questions seemed to get asked in the MTG general discussion, so please just ask them in there.

If there becomes a demand, we can add one in as required.

Ian

[Jund4Lyfe]

Adding Multiple cards at once (I put up a new thread on this by the way.)

[Seth]

don't know if it's been added, this post is rather long but it would be very valuable to see a mana curve of the decks posted. It's much easier to comment on a deck if you see the mana curve.

[Gary]

Ya, this has been mentioned before but it's going to have to wait until the next update I'm afraid; already got loads on the list for this coming one. :(

[NightLoki]

Deleting decks? Or is that already on the update being worked on?

[Gary]

It's in this update, already been written for WoW, just needs porting to MTG. :)

[NightLoki]

awesome, I need to get some old Type 2 decks out of there, they're quite dated.

[btheoret]

Is this possible? I'm new to this forum but have been using MTG Vault for a little while now. I took a look around the forum to see if I could find this but was unable to. Let me know if you can do this. Thanks!

[Gary]

Welcome to the forum btheoret!

If you look two posts above your one then you will find the answer to your question; It's done and will be going live with the rest of the updates hopefully sometime in the next month.

[Jund4Lyfe]

new idea: no mana alerts.
sometimes you might put a card into a deck and not have symbols for it, if this was possible, in the event that this happens, an alert will pop up, telling you you have a card that will not be playable in the deck, and have buttons for "OK" and "ignore"
hope this is possible!

[Gary]

Hmm, I like the sound of that... I wonder if I could incorporate this into the mana symbol occurrence stats, make the row bold if the deck doesn't contain any plains but there is white mana occurrence or something.

[NightLoki]

so you have tags for all the different mana producers so you don't get false negatives on anything without basics?

[Gary]

so you have tags for all the different mana producers so you don't get false negatives on anything without basics?

Heh, I'm guessing we we won't be doing this one after all! :P

[NightLoki]

it's a big project, and for some decks it's not very helpful. Reanimation decks, for instance, don't really care about mana cost.

[PunkinHed]

On the MTG Vault site, it would be nice to have a friends page where you can add friends and go staight to their decks to see their updates. Also on the MTG Vault site, could we have a post updates page to see what decks you have posted on and what replays you have gotten on your posts. Just a thought and thanks for everything you do Gary.

[Gary]

Heh, this is actually done on the dev site I just wasn't happy enough with the UI to release it, I felt I kept getting lost around the site. Rest assured I've not forgotten and will be working on getting these features to the site when I can.

[Salient]

Gary, this site is awesome. Thanks for maintaining it.

Can you add "Prison" to the list of deck types?

[Ian]

Gary, this site is awesome. Thanks for maintaining it.

Can you add "Prison" to the list of deck types?

You are more than welcome :]

I've also added Prison as a deck type - enjoy!

Cheers

[NightLoki]

Just one little thing: You need an ico file for the homepage. That empty page thing just seems offhand awkward compared to the design of the rest of the page.

[Gary]

Just one little thing: You need an ico file for the homepage. That empty page thing just seems offhand awkward compared to the design of the rest of the page.

Your wish is my command! It's not the nicest icon but hey, I did it super quick! :P

[NightLoki]

Sadly, I can not see it. Might be my browser though

[Ian]

Sadly, I can not see it. Might be my browser though

Try clearing your cache - worked for me in FF :]

[NightLoki]

Got it! Like it.

[NightLoki]

Hey, what are the chances you can take out the required 'x' on the bulk importer? Like instead of having to have:

4x Spreading Seas
4x Wall of Omens

You could have:
4 Spreading Seas
4 Wall of Omens

[Ian]

We'll have a look at that - should be okay - but as usual, we have lots of other stuff to work on as well, so we'll add it to the list and post here in due course :)

Ian

[NightLoki]

Thanks Ian. The reason I ask is because I pull most of my bulk imports off either the web or my MWS files, and neither use the 'x's, just spaces.

[Antisoul]

I second the sealed draft/deck simulator, Wizards of the Coast and many other sites already have these, but none of them have a way to implement deck building with your drafted cards. Which lets face it is the most important part of drafting... building something with all those picks.

[Gary]

I'd love to do a draft/booster pack simulator, need to find out exactly how Wizards pack their cards though...

Guys, I think it's going to be easier to manage these if we just have separate threads for topics so I'm going to close this one now! ;)