Tell me what you want.

[Gary]

Dear [MTG Vault Username],

This post goes against everything I believe in and everything I've ever known about running websites. You should never ask your users what they want. However, I'm at a loss, I feel out of touch and I want to make sure I don't mess up what we have here. For this reason I'm opening this site up for critque and suggestion.

I want every one of you (even you lurkers out there) to help this site to be the very best it can be. Can you please all to give me the following things:


3 reasons you like the site, why do you come here, why do you use the site it's best features.

3 reasons you don't like the site, things that make you not want to use it and its worst attributes.

3 features/suggestions that you can think off that will make this site even better.

Can your posts be written in the following format so they can be easily read:


3 things I like:

1)
2)
3)

3 things I don't like:

1)
2)
3)

3 things I want:

1)
2)
3)


Cheers,
Gary

[whitey_mcfly]

3 things I like:
1. It's an open community for people to discuss MTG.
2. Deck Challenges give members something to do if they're running short of ideas.
3. It gives me a place to share deck ideas when there is a lack of players in my area

3 things I dislike:

I am fine with everything thus far. Anything wrong that happens is immediately dealt with, and the site is adaptable with very involved programmers willing to change the site whenever needed.

The only problem I see is the fact that you let the actions of your users influence your decisions about the site a little too much. Users will be users, and you should let them be that way. Don't be afraid to experiment, and as long as you see a positive outlook, keep it. Sure, the more experienced of us on this site, including myself, will warn you of what could go wrong, but if anything happens, you can just stop it at any time. That's the beauty of what we have here: you can do what you want with the site, and change everything back very quickly. Right now, the site serves its purpose: to give MTG players a place to discuss decks wherever and whenever they please.

In short: do what you want with the site, as nothing on MTGVault is irreversible for you.

[surewhynot]

3 things I like:

1) I like that I can show others my decks, and see theirs. It's a "vault" (pun wasn't intended) of mutual deck knowledge/sharing.

2) The community and how everyone can discuss MTG amongst each-other.

3) The community in general. This place is a rare gem in how almost every person here is a cool dude.

3 things I don't like:

1) While I love the laid-back feel of this place 99% of the time, it's that 1% of the time where someone has to grow a pair and show some authority...and I don't know if I've seen that yet. "Speak softly, but carry a big stick".

2) Little minor things just irk me every once in a while. Like the lack of profile pics on deck comments, you can't see your deck's price, and aside from the "draw sample hand", you can't really test out your deck (this one is really no big deal at all, just would be neat).

3) Hell I don't know. There's only three of you guys. I think you all should have realized that you need to employ extra help for those times you aren't around.

3 things I want:

1) Get help. Employ moderators and/or find more people to act as admins. Moderators are almost a necessity on sites like these, and I'm surprised you guys still haven't done this.

2) Without sounding like a jerk...Man up! This goes back to the 1% of the time where being laid back just doesn't work. Batman69 cheated, spammed, trolled, flamed, used offensive language, and even threatened to hack the site. Yet you guys didn't do anything past taking one of the 4 decks he cheated up off the top list. Not banning him into oblivion shows weakness, and will in the long run encourage other "batmans" to follow suite. I know jerks like these always come back even from an IP ban, but the threat stops a huge amount of them.

3) don't worry so much. Yeah, some problems need fixing, but that's it. It's not that big of a deal. As already stated, whatever you do can be undone, and no matter what, it's still the Vault. :D

[SpippyTheInsane]

3 things I like:
1) The site is generally accessible and very easy to use.
2) The sample hand ability is amazing.
3) The deck building features are generally pretty good.

3 things to work on:
1) Commenting giving an automatic 2 likes INCLUDING when a person comments on their own deck. I have noticed a large amount of decks getting on the top decks list not neccesarily becazuse they are good, but because they needed lots of help or comments.
2) Sometimes decks aren't easily found in the search feature. I'm not sure if it's because the decks are "works in progress", but when searching for a deck by specific name, I'd like to see it.
3) The search feature could use improvements like the ability to use the + button to list words you want on a card, but not neccesarily in the exact order.

I know I have a lot of things I'd like changed, but I have to say I LOVE the site for a lot of reasons and you're doing a fantastic job. Thansk so much :)

[Gary]

Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback, it's all good stuff! Come on all you non-posters, I know you're out there! :P

[Aaboy66]

3 things I like:

1) Extremely friendly and open community.
2) Forum system.
3) Easy to use Deck-Building system.

3 things I don't like:

1) Website looks a little dull. If we had a way of changing the colors on this website it would make it more appealing to look at, especially for people who like bright colors like me.
2) No real way of Reporting a Deck without having a Forum Account.
3) More unknown users of MTG Vault that are new to the system or haven't been on the Front Page usually never get any Comments and get no attention at all. This causes many users on this site to Comment on your Decks saying nothing but "Check out my Decks." and they are quite a persistent bunch.

3 things I want:

1) Promo Cards. I'm that guy you see at FNMs showing up with cool Promo Cards and loves to show them off, and I think it would be pretty cool if we could have an option of having Promo Cards in your Deck.
2) Changing names. I'm so sick of my username, and have an updated version and I'm sure some people out there who mistakenly made a typo or dislike their username agree as will.
3) If Administrators (such as you and Ian) Comment on Decks every once in a while, it would be very interesting and would give more character to you guys and would make this Website much more unique.

[crackjunior1]

3 things I like:

1) It´s a great tool to save my decks, if it wasn´t for mtgvault, I would probably lose most of my decks...
2) The Feedback. It´s always good to know what other people think of my decks, and I can get help from the community. That's win-win.
3)The articles and deck challenges. The articles are written carefully, the writer tries to see both sides of something... Deck challenges can give you some ideas if you're clueless.

3 things I don't like:

1) Sometimes people make comments that don't help the builder at all, and sometimes they're even offensive, which is just wrong.
2) The cheating. People commenting themselves so that they make the top decks makes me so angry! Some hard-working guys may not make it because of them!
3) As Surewhynot said, and I agree, I don´t like that abuse of freedom from part of users like batman69..
As you may have noticed, the things I don't like are for people to change, not mtgvault. Come on people this was designed for us, you can use it for free, so why do things like this....

3 things I want:

1) This may be asking a lot, but maybe the mana occurrence could be operative during deck building, this would help because you could chose what lands to add after seeing the mana occurrence stat...
2) Maybe moderators for each segment of the site, again surewhynot had some neat ideas!
3) More articles to keep me going! I don't know if this is possible but maybe some more articles, I love to read them!

That's all I had before suggested some of the above, but it's never to much to help! :D

[iancj]

3 Things I like:
1) The deck challenges thing. I think it encourages people to come up with unique ideas
2) The ability to share decks easily and quickly
3) The possibility of the sponsorship for deck challenges.

3 Things I don't like
1) The fact that most people only want help, not to give it
2) This is a exteamly small thing, but that is good, because it means there is nothing else. I am wondering if the security on login is necessary. Every time i leave the page I need to re-log in.

3 things I want
1)This is a rather big thing, but I think this would benifit many people. I think a price display would be very helpful. One display, next to the number of cards on the deck list, and one display on the right sidebar saying total cost. Also, I notice that you went to the trouble to give us a little box when searching for cards to add to decks that is the color of the card. As I think this is hardly nessisary, I wounder if you could take that out, and add the price. You could have a spider crawl [www.findmagiccards.com] to get the price.
2)Nothing else that I have not already mentioned.

[dagbaker]

3 things to work on:
1) Commenting giving an automatic 2 likes INCLUDING when a person comments on their own deck. I have noticed a large amount of decks getting on the top decks list not neccesarily becazuse they are good, but because they needed lots of help or comments.
2) Sometimes decks aren't easily found in the search feature. I'm not sure if it's because the decks are "works in progress", but when searching for a deck by specific name, I'd like to see it.
3) The search feature could use improvements like the ability to use the + button to list words you want on a card, but not neccesarily in the exact order.



I'd like to add on to #2...
I don't think this is possible now but searching for a certain card in a deck would be pretty cool, for example: I search Thrun, the Last Troll in the deck search and decks that have him in it will appear.

[Seth]

Ok fuck it, here goes

3 things I like:

1) a forum for casual magic while most other sites are about tourney play
2) articles by casual players for casual players
3) the handful of cool dudes who stick around and really know the game

3 things I don't like:

1) the seperation between the vault and the forum
2) the vault in general, it's a terrible site IMO, no offense. I can see the appeal, it's the vault that drew me to this site but the implementation sucks.
3) the entire vote on decks, and the fuss it creates. it's for children.

3 things I want:

1) The forum becomming the heart of the site with no MTGVault as it is now. Instead I would like to see a strong forum deck-view integration. You want to post decks to discus them. the forum is ideal for that, the vault is not.
2) A strong feature rich search engine on the deck database. pretty much what many other sites have and we don't.
3) better deck view, with image view on mouse over, better statistics, etc... A deck view that I could use to build decks rather then just view them.

Most people post on the forum so people will find their deck in the vault but there is no further interaction. A lot of posters don't even return to the forum after posting their deck. The community here is really divided by the seperation of vault and forum.

[Gary]

I'd like to add on to #2...
I don't think this is possible now but searching for a certain card in a deck would be pretty cool, for example: I search Thrun, the Last Troll in the deck search and decks that have him in it will appear.

Go to the deck search, check the Search by card name radio button and then hit search! ;)

[Anon]

I totally agree with whitey mcfly and surewhynot, but still here is my opinion.

1) I like the fact that I have a place to store deck ideas rather than just on an excel spreadsheet.
2) I enjoy interacting and helping people on the site with their decks (when I can).
3) The fact that it is a very easy to use system.

What I dislike:

1) The "like" system is totally unneccessary and very childish.
2) That the forum is apart from MTGVault.

What I'd like to see:

1) I'd like to see the you guys (the Administrators) take part more often, even maybe post your own deck ideas.

All in all the others said most of what I think is needed, but I still want to thank you guys for a wonderful site.:D

[iancj]

What I want: A infect or at least poison deck type.

[dagbaker]

Go to the deck search, check the Search by card name radio button and then hit search! ;)

yeah I found it right after I posted... sigh :]

[Seth]

What I want: A infect or at least poison deck type.

so you would have them add a decktype for every subtype/tribal/mechanic ever printed??? wow, that's sounds like a great improvement!

[iancj]

so you would have them add a decktype for every subtype/tribal/mechanic ever printed??? wow, that's sounds like a great improvement!

Just the really common ones. "Rouge", "Horde" "Prison" etc are rarely used.
Infect, Metalcraft, and Equipment have been going on for over a year, in the case of Equipment, and are rather common decks. While Prison, in particular, is very uncommon, and can easily be listed as other. In fact, it might be a good idea to let people type in their own deck types.

[rileyandholly88]

Just the really common ones. "Rouge", "Horde" "Prison" etc are rarely used.
Infect, Metalcraft, and Equipment have been going on for over a year, in the case of Equipment, and are rather common decks. While Prison, in particular, is very uncommon, and can easily be listed as other. In fact, it might be a good idea to let people type in their own deck types.
I really dont need to look at every deck some person makes just to see RAPE or GODLY or WIN as the deck type each time :P

[iancj]

I really dont need to look at every deck some person makes just to see RAPE or GODLY or WIN as the deck type each time :P
Haha yeah your right. Didn't think of that.

[Seth]

Infect, Metalcraft, and Equipment have been going on for over a year

If you think anyone is going to be making infect or metalcraft decks in 2 years from now you must be pretty new to the game. Today everyone makes infect decks, because wizards just printed the mechanic, tomorrow 60% of the posters here won't even know what infect/metalcraft is and the 95% of those that do won't be using the mechanic in their decks because neither is very eternal worthy.

In the case of equipment it's a strategy that sticks around although these days with the likes of Stoneforge Mystic and Stonehewer Giant can you really call a deck with 3 to 4 equipment cards in it an equipment deck?
Simple Aggro would be a more accurate term. And those decks that do pack 10 equipment are better served with a 'bad deck' category.

[Mursh]

3 things I like:

1) Deck Challenges.
2) Bulk Card input
3) Sample Hands

3 things I don't like:

1) The separation of the Vault and the Forums.
2) Lack of notification when someone comments on your deck or reply's back.
3) The way Sample hands are randomized doesn't reflect a played deck as much as it could. Sometimes I get hands of 7 lands or all 4 of one of my cards which is something that would be extremely rare in a real deck.

3 things I want:

1) I really really really wish that when you hover your mouse over a card in a deck for a second or 2 it would pop up a preview image of the card just like it does in the sample hand view. I hate clicking on cards over and over to reread them and I end up with tons of opens windows and tabs because of it.
2) I wish there was a simple card search box on the main page at the top for quick searches.
3) Deck price estimators or show average card price when you hover over a card.
4) When you do post a deck link in a deck comment I wish you could click on the URL.

Either way I love the site and it is my favorite overall deck building site.

[purkle]

Heyhey. Thought long and hard about this:

3 things I like:

1) the public-forum nature of submitting decks to a committed community and being able to recieve feedback.

2) the fact that there isn't a 'like' or 'dislike' button on the decks. I find people tend to misuse these and 'dislike' things on the wrong grounds, rather than the quality of the deck. Bravo on not including this over-used and much-abused system.

3) the amazing wealth of ideas flowing through the site. Fostering this creativity is something we should all aim for.


3 things I dislike:

1) the gap between good deckbuilders and bad deckbuilders, and the fact that a catchy titled deck often gets more recognition than a genuinely good one, is an unfortunate injustice to the talent of the users of this site.

2) the fact that the more experienced players and innovators are often berated and under-used as a community resource, because of the not-entirely-merit-based site structure. People seem to get their own way often by deleting posts, slinging insults or shouting.

3) the fact that a deck will find it impossible to become re-popular. Perhaps after a certain amount of time they should become eligable again?


things I want to see:

1) i'd like to see the more experienced players given a sort of 'oracle' role. Maybe allow a small number of well-spoken, innovative members to write a column for your site on a semi-regular basis. This would strengthen the community, as they could reference other site members and give them recognition for their ideas and so forth. It would be a good way of spreading knowledge and skills within the users of the site.

2) more moderation. I know there are a few trustworthy site users who would like to give back to the community (i put myself in their number) and i'm sure they would help moderate the site for you.

3) more recognition for consistently excellent contributors. A monthly 'virtual prize' such as a gold star would be neat. Completely superficial, granted, but pretty neat all the same.

[WhiteAndBlueTheyKillYou]

Three things I like about this site

1: The laid back approach to a community, creating a more organic feel, than other sites which involve more of a forced integration of minds.
2: How effectiveness & efficiency of the vault as a design tool, what used to take me hours takes me mere minutes thanks to the vault!
3: Coming back to community again, the fact that unlike a lot of places, the community on here is overall some pretty cool people, rather than a bunch of uptight-tourney-only smeggers.


Three things I do not like about this site

1: The lack of privacy. Sometimes you want to keep something about a deck a surprise, or hide a deck you're working on for a tourney from the general populace.
2: The vault seems to be missing several of the rarer prints for card, such as the Judge, or DCI promos. Sometimes you just want to show off :cool:
3: This goes along with what has been said and said, but I honestly think you should consider enlarging the work force. It would be better for the sites health, and for yours.

And finally, three things I'd like to see

1: Back to the privacy issue, I would really enjoy a private, or team building function. For a lot of tournament players this would be a great boon, especially if they had a good system to control who is able to see it.
2: Again, I like the promo cards, especially the art from the Judge Promos. Bitterblossom and Wasteland are amazing!
3: Really, I'd just like some sort of sticker for making it to the top decks list. I'm not usually about being flashy, but I still like the kindergarten 'gold sticker' approach to things.

[SavajCabbaj]

Pretty much everything has been said. But I'll toss in my 2 mana anyways.

Like:
The community itself. You guys rock. A balanced mix of experienced and new players, and even more in between. Nobody is discouraged from giving advice, good or bad, instead it creates opportunity for discussion rather than simple flame/bashing bad ideas. Very constructive.

Dislike:
The segregation of the Vault's tools and the forums. Forums are more community centric, and therefore I think (if you're looking for change) the future of the Vault would be more productive if the main page integrated existing Vault features with the forums. How this would be accomplished is subject to an entirely different thread dedicated just to that.

Suggestions:
Integrate the Vault and forums.

Add a feature to export decks to Apprentice, OCTGN, or another such service (??) to allow for adequate simulation of how a deck would run. Sample hands do not provide an adequate simulation, as tutors & fetches would shuffle a library, and that is hugely significant.

Implement a more powerful system of tracking when a friend has published a new deck, and when somebody has commented on one of your decks, or to one of your comments on another deck.

And finally: I like top decks, even though more often than not it's the same few people generating enough comments & likes. Those users & that popularity, however, typically generates a lot of insightful conversation, which can be beneficial to read through. It'd be nice to offer a "Featured" spot, though, which would randomly feature N number of decks per day, that have been published within the last 24, 48, or however many hours, and have not had any (or many) comments. There are more decks being published than people willing to look through them all and comment on them. This creates problems for users looking for useful feedback. This could be addressed any number of ways, including things mentioned previously within this thread.. but this is just another idea, depending on if, and if so what changes you decide to make to the Vault.

[truegrave18]

I hate to say it Seth, but i've been playing since 3rd edition and I can say that I understand what you are saying when you said that infect and metalcraft will basically be forgotten over the next year or so, but I don't think you really thought that through completely. Because of how much people are wanting Infect to work, WoTC will keep it around and work on it until they come out with a set that they will have to release an apology for due to some card being overly epic (I.E. jtms) Just imagine they release a plainswalker who is infect based with some stupid loyalty ability like "+1 ability: target opponent gets poison counter" "-2 ability: each creature your opponent controls gets -1/-1 counters then proliferate" and then last ability -X: " creatures you control gain infect, trample, and +X/+X until end of turn"

and as far as metalcraft goes, i honestly don't think that will be going away for a while. all the current sets are artifact heavy, and i believe it will stay that way for even more time to come thanks TO metalcraft offering the boosts that it does.

[pete_h]

First off, I'd like to say thanks for a wonderful site. I really enjoy it, and the improvements that have been made have been great steps in the right direction.

3 things I like:
-I really like the community. You will always have a select few jerk-offs no matter what, but as a whole I've had a great experience with the other members here.
-Being able to show off some of my decks, even if most of them aren't worth showing off... lol
-You guys always making changes in the interst of the users. It may be against what you believe in to do this, but I think this thread is a great idea, and can be a great tool to make a good site better.

3 things I don't like (I think most of my concerns have already been talked about by other users):
-When I do a card search and click on the card to look at it, I wish there was a link in that window that would show a list of decks with that card in it. I know you can do a deck search by card name, but sometimes I'll be just browsing cards, and want to look at decks that use a card I come across.
-I really don't like how there is no indication when someone comments on your deck, replies to your comment, or likes your deck. Maybe I've been spoiled by facebook, but I love how it has a dropdown menu that shows you all recent activity. Even if it's not the same system, any indication to activity would be good.
-As stated before, I wish you could show us the price of our decks. I know you have the ebay list thing for each card, but I would rather have prices come from a better source, and show what a whole deck is worth.

I think the 3 things I want to see are just changes to the 3 things I don't like... lol. I think the site is coming along really good, again want to thank you for the time and effort you put into it.








Edit: Reading Fail... I didn't read the first page and didn't go with the correct format... My apologies.

[txwalker13]

3 things I like:

1)The ability to post my decks, keep track of them, and the changes I make to them.
2)Getting help from experienced deck builders
3)Being able to get inspired by the numerous different decks that are posted here.

3 things I don't like:

1)The fact that most of the time, a deck I post needing help with will go un-noticed and doesn't get any help.
2)Like Surewhynot, I'd also like there to be a way to test the decks that you build.
3)You can't choose any form of promotional cards, or special sets, like From the Vault Exiled or between normal and foil.

3 things I want:

1)A way to test your decks in a more elaborate way.
2)Being able to choose promo cards, or specialty sets. And being able to choose whether or not the card(s) are foil or not.
3)A better comment system. Maybe a grouping of the types of decks. A group for Mill, Discard, and so forth. It might make it easier for those who need help to get the help they need.

[mtvernon]

3 things I like:

1) Ease of use
2) Lack of major restrictions in terms of deck building (size, et cetera -- I have termed one "deck" my library and use it to keep track of all the cards I own)
3) Deck search

1 thing I don't like:

1) It can be difficult to find site information from time to time (why no Commander updates to the database, for instance? Surely this is stated somewhere, right?)

1 thing I want:

1) Commander cards added to the database (Spell Crumple, new commanders, et cetera)

[drumhead21]

3 Likes:

1) The users, good and bad, make this site what it is without question.
2) The ability to get advice on your decks from other experienced players.
3) The bulk import feature with the deck builder.

3 Dislikes:

1) Lack of promo card art. Some of us take quite a bit of pride in collecting these rare gems.
2) Unable to get help with a deck when I (or someone else) may actually need it.
3) Unable to put a picture on the vault other than the forum.

3 Suggestions:

1) I think setting up a privacy setting for decks would be a good idea. Being able to set them as a "Deck Idea" that only you and your friends can look at. Another setting for "Need Help" would be good too and maybe have their own section on the front page or maybe like the "Deck Challenges" spot... idk kinda stretching it probably.
2) A way to upload an avatar picture in the vault like you do in the forums would be pretty cool... I like my "drumhead"
3) Updating the Deck Type field with "Block", "Standard", "Extended",
"Legacy", "Vintage", and "Two-headed Giant" would be awesome, because not all deck types always fit, but those always do.

Either way, you guys have done a great job over the last year since I started coming to this site. Keep up the great work and thanks for the site.

[SpippyTheInsane]

2) Unable to get help with a deck when I (or someone else) may actually need it.

yeah unfortunately that can be a major downside to deckbuilding here: wading through all the nonsense...

i actually have a rather odd suggestion: an invite-only either deck-posting area or forum where only people have been invited can post decks and get help. Essentially we start with a small group of people and build by adding polite, respectful, thoughtful people who actually want to help others while receiving help until we have a community where help is always available. Again, either a forum area or deck-building and viewing area would really both do the trick :)

[Try4se]

3 things I like:

1) Card Database.
2) People are friendly.
3) Easy to use.

3 things I don't like:

1) Inconsistency when you scan cards, and lack of promo art.
2) Unable to get help, unless posting on forums
3) lack of communication when it comes to the vault.

3 things I want:

1) Promo art, and more consistency when you scan cards.
2) Ability to use the vault on mobile devices.
3) PMs, or some other form of notifications that says when a friend posts a deck, or comments on one, on the vault.

[drumhead21]

yeah unfortunately that can be a major downside to deckbuilding here: wading through all the nonsense...
I agree completely and I don't want advice from people who say 4 of this, 4 of that and 2 of this. I want advice from the people who actually exlain why you need those 4 and 2 and leave like a paragraph explaining it. Those are real mentor's and real deck builders.

i actually have a rather odd suggestion You're insane... shouldn't all your suggestions be odd? :cool:

[Ian]

Just to give you guys a few updates on this!

Gary and I have currently been busy on another project, which is just drawing to a close, so we'll soon be putting an end to some of the half finished stuff we had started, this includes:

Image upload (you may have seen some users with it)
Quicker deck building process
Complete database (yes we are missing some sets)
Updated deck types / key word tagging

There is quite a few more bits and pieces which I can't remember off the top of my head. I have no timeframes, but it's all noted down!

In regards to promo art - we can easily add it in, but getting hold of scans is something I'm not sure of. Do any of you have a source?

Hope that helps!

Ian

[raggedjoe]

Things I like:
1)General community
2)Few restrictions on deck posting
3)The core group of guys who seem to make it their business to be helpful on every deck they can

Things I dislike:
1)How it's hard to get a deck noticed sometimes. I've had decks generate virtually no interest, and then it finally makes the upcoming list and then it explodes. I think the core problem is that once your deck falls off the front page lists it's basically impossible for someone to find unless they go to your profile and look through your decks.
2) The complete separation of the forum and the vault. I keep forgetting the forum exists actually... In my head, salvation is my forum and vault is my deck database. I should fix that... Alsoo, the only way to get to the forum from the main page is to hit the small Forum link on the left hand side... I went a long time not knowing this site HAD a forum.
3)

Things I want:
1) A better (or any) integration of the vault and the forum. Making your vault and forum profile the same page might be a good start.
2) Some sort of notification when someone comments on a deck. I have ~100 decks, and it's annoying to check them every few days since I can't always remember how many comments each one has.
3) Some sort of way for members to get more officially involved with the vault/official commendation?

Also, the thig about promo scans is a little funny... I googled "MTTG Promo cards" and the 1st result has them.
http://www.trollandtoad.com/Magic:-The-Gathering/1024-1041p1n10.html

[Ian]

Thanks for the link... I'm not about to go and save down 750 images manually, would take me forever :P I was hoping there might be some image pack around for MWS or something :)

Ian

[raggedjoe]

Oh, my bad. Sorry xD